• 2005-09-23

    + 挣扎在闹剧的边缘

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    Reno的华人组织CSSF,or Chinese Scholar and Student Association,每年有两大活动,一是春节晚会,而是国庆中秋Party。去年我在里面以副主席的身份跑腿,跟几个同样新来的学生一起硬着头皮胜利完成两次活动的组织工作,圆满退休。今年又一批新来的学生被推上了学生会的舞台,跟往年一样,又紧锣密鼓准备国庆的聚会。没想到,一封邀请函群发出去,惹来几位“老人”email往返的唇枪舌战,大有发扬中国人民扯皮传统的势头,眼看要搞得还没有开始的聚会不欢而散了。无言。

    扯皮的起因,是学生会发出的邮件像往年一样,声明因为经费有限,参加的所有人都要交五美元,但UNR的教授和家属带来的8岁以下的小孩免费。往常我们一直是这样搞的,但今年忽然有一位大虾回复群发邮件提出质疑,“为什么教授就要免费?”结果数位大大虾愤然而起,在网上展开了一场论战。这一切全在本地中国学生及教职工的群发邮件中来回,就这样在我们的众目睽睽之下上演了一出闹剧。

    第一封邮件应该是来自学生会主席Peng女士:

    Hi,everyone,

    CSSF will organize a Mid -autumn Party.

    The party is scheduled on October1st, 12:00-2:00pm, at King Buffet. Welcome all
    the Chinese professors, students and scholars to attend.

    It is free for all the Chinese professors in UNR.And it will be free
    for the children younger than 8-year-old.

    If who is interested in it, please reply to me and tell me the number of your
    guests.CSSF would like to count the total number of the attendance so that we
    can offer you a satisfying party.

    We are also very pleased that you invite some foreign friends to the party.But
    since the limited funds of CSSF,we can just offered some fee-waiving for the
    foreign advisors.So if who would like to invite his/her advisors to the
    party,please inform me in addition.

    Again,if you have any requirement or good suggestion, please also tell me by
    e-mail.

    Thanks for your time!

    Regards,
    Meng

    下面是一位有家有口的男士,不清楚已经是博士后了还是助理讲师:

    It will be free for Chinese 
                          ASSOCIATIE PROFESSORS?
    or                    ASSISTANT PROFESSORS,
                          RESEARCH ... PROFESSORS,
                          VISITING PROFESSORS?
    
    --XXX
    

    然后有人以unrchinesestudent@hotmail.com的地址匿名质疑:

    Is there anybody who could tell us why it is free for professors? By the way, no offense to professors at all.

    然后一个叫Xu的研究社会学的researcher对此作出回应:

    I think it is simple: convention. First it is Chinese convention. Remember, when we were in China, we paid class fees (ban1 fei4) for class activities where professor or teachers who were also invited to, where they also consumed resources. But we never charged them for attending, which would be viewed as ridiculous. Could we do that?
     
    Secondly, that is also the convention here. As far as I know, we invited professors and staffs each year and did not charge them either. If that runs ok, no need to change it.
     
    I am a social science researcher. So in contrast to some hard-headed economist who insist marginal cost pricing, I respect convention. I quite understand convention, the tacit knowledge, puts us together spatially and emotionally in an era of information age. Here, the purpose is not just to eat and drink, but to sit together with friends, with professors. Maybe it is not perfect, but it is second best. In other words, any other better ways?
     
    Personally, I Iike this opportunity and would not struggle a lot with that issue. If we feel comfortable with it, why bother to care others.

    然后UNR华人教授之一老段出来打圆场:

    Dear Meng and the CSSF committee,

    Thanks a lot for organizing the activity for the traditional Mid-Autumn
    Festival and the National Day.

    Although I truly appreciated the warm invitation from the CSSF, I don't feel
    comfortable to join you and get a free lunch while the students and their
    family have to pay for it. Should it be the other way around? I think the
    CSSF should try the best to support all of the student members and their
    family. The reason is very simple. Professors are much better paid than any
    of the students. If there is any financial problem for the activity, the
    CSSF should double charge the professors, instead. I think other colleagues
    of mine as a faculty at the university would also agree with me.

    Wish you all a Happy Holiday and have fun at the party!

    Duan

    这个Cliff我不知道是中国人还是老外:

    My 2 cetns -

    The event is on 10/1.  I don't think it's appropriate
    to discuss any rule change here.  As Xu Su mentioned,
    it is a tradition and it may not be perfect.  If any
    change is needed, pls bring the issue to committee
    and discuss there.  Hope next year will be better.
    In the mean time, just enjoy the fun time.  Trust
    and let those volunteers handle the issue until you
    become one of them for the next event.

    There is no single event will make everybody happy and
    fit everybody's desire.  I am sure after the party,
    some people will complain about food, noise, facility,
    beverage.....  You see, this glass is filled up only
    half but why look it half-empty rather than half-full?

    It is already rare for Chinese folks to get together
    in this small Reno town at this particular time.  Why
    not just reveal your full "young student" spirit and
    enjoy one evening w/o thinking about who you are
    for a moment.  If you really care about making this
    community better, chip in your volunteer time join
    the committee or volunteer team and make future events better.

    Don't let the old saying come true: where there is
    a Chinese group, there is always a complicated issue.

    Enjoy your day and enjoy your life as life is really short!

    -Cliff

    Miao出场了,看语气有可能是第一个匿名提出质疑者,这下好了,跟Xu较上劲了,大有“你Y嘴放干净点的口气”:

    Dear Mr. or Ms. Xu,

    I have to say I am a little uncomfortable about your wording. Are you speaking on behalf of the committee of CSSF? Then could you please identify yourself?
    If that is the policy, please explain it clearly and politely.

    The concern of that student is reasonable, what he or she want is just fairness and respect. CSSF stands for  Chinese Student & Scholar Federation. It includes students, post-docs, professors and other scholars. The case you said in China is totally another story. I just graduate from another university. If I am not wrong, when we held activities, everyone have to pay except performers and organizers.

    "Here, the purpose is not just to eat and drink, but to sit together with friends, with professors."
    --- I'm just wondering what the objectives of this party are?

    Meng, can you provide a detailed program schedule of this party?

    BTW, I will attend this party.

    Thanks for all the organizers,

    ------------------

    Miao, Ph.D 

    有人看不下去了,出谋划策:

    Hi all,

    It does sound unfair for vast poor students and I am sure faculties wouldn't mind
    paying as much as students do. I understand the effort of the CSSF administration to
    try to attract as many faculties as possible. But since somebody already brought up this
    topic, it would be uneasy for faculties to attend under current circumstances. So may I
    suggest that we treat everybody equal?  If some faculties already received  the invitation
    to attend for free, we can keep those promises.

    Just my personal opinion, no offense to anybody.

    Shulan

    终于有教授受不了了。你看不惯我们免费,我也厚不下这个脸来白吃,我不来了!

    Wish all of you a happy holiday.   

    As an economist, I enjoyed reading the email sent by Su Xu. 

     Since the committee of CSSF has already sent invitations to professors
    for a free lunch, I would suggest that CSSF keeps its words this time.
    If it is still a concern, make a change in the future. 

     Here are my two cents for a balance: Don't charge professors a fee, so
    you keep the convention; ask them to donate, so you exercise
    (implicitly) the marginal cost pricing.  FYI, I will not join the party,
    because I don't want to have a free lunch, nor I want to donate. 

     What is economics?  It is a science dealing with efficiency, equity, and
    stability, given limited resources and unlimited desires.  Or you may
    say it is "comic nose."

     If any of you is interested in economics, read a best-seller book
    "Freaknomics."  I am sure you will better understand why US crime rate
    has declined since 1990, why drug dealers still live with their mothers,
    and how a person's name is associated with his/her parents' race and
    income. 

     

    Song


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  • Sure you can post the emails here. Just please kindly remove the real names of senders. Of course if they the senders don't mind, neither shoudl I.



    Speaking of villian, I don't think any of the senders is a one. Their inputs to the community deserve our appreciation. Several emails at the last showed how some people took the debate. Missing them is a pity, IMHO.



    I am not serious. You don't want to know who I am. Just didn't like the "playful manner". I should have opened up my mind too.



    Nice blog, and thanks for the pictures.
  • Glad that you are paying attention to my blog.



    The debate went on our public sphere, so I don't think it's improper to post it here.



    I didn't include all emails, because I was tired of this email debate that went on and on.



    Some might think my description offending. Sorry about that if you do. But this article was meant to show my friends back in China what's going on here. The story was woven in a playful manner, but not everybody involved was a villain - I understand how you guys either tried to protest for equality or respect to professors.



    Thanks for you reminder. But if you are serious, you should have left your name here.
  • BTW, please respect other people's opinions. IMHO, it's not a 闹剧. It helped us to know each other more, which is never a bad thing. People were not speaking up to ruin the party. As a matter of fact, I myself went to the party because of the discussion. CSSF, if didn't mean to invite qustions, would not be scared by them either. Open up ur mind, man.
  • You should have included all the emails if you want to record such a "historical" debate went on Chinese email group. Or , by a second thought, you should have asked permission of the origins of the emails to have their emails on your blogs with their real names shown
  • 留言板最近有点问题,是blogbus网站服务器的原因。留言的时候显示“找不到服务器”的时候其实已经贴上去了。如果遇到这样的问题你们就第二天再打开我的网站看看,应该贴上了。



    今天留言就没有问题。
  • 哈哈,你们在大洋彼岸也搞这样的阶级矛盾所!
    GT News回复小宝说:
    中国特色的社会主义
    2005-09-26 04:25:54
  • 哈哈,想不到你们在大洋彼岸也搞这样的阶级矛盾所!虽然你那些英文我看不懂,不过最后教授赌气不来了还真把我笑惨了.好耍.
  • 哈哈,看了这篇闹剧式的文章,我不禁笑了,看不出来大洋彼岸的你们也闹这样的情绪.虽然你那些英文我看不懂,但最后教授赌气不来了真是有点好笑的.